Alternator Replacement

 

I'm planning on making the battery/high output alternator replacement discussed on the 320 web site and in numerous 320 e-mails.  It's still not clear to me however if there is a high output alternator available that is an exact replacement to the OEM alternator.  I've read that mods to the mounting brackets had to be made.  I am considering an AMPEX, or Balmar but hesitate to purchase if I'm getting into a home mod. situation. 

 

Can anyone identify a model number that is an exact bolt on replacement?

 

Thanks in advance

Joe Tamucci, Andante #619

 

 

Joe,

   I installed the AmpTech 125-SE (125amp hot rated) alternator from Jack Rabbit Marine.  Expect to get about 90amps max

out of it at 3200rpm based on the pulley ratios and RPM range.

 

Used the original bolts and brackets, as it was a drop in replacement. There's a pic on the website.

 

http://www.catalina320.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album03&id=jhamptech&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

 

You'll need to replace the yanmar fanbelt with a quality Gates Green Stripe belt (I bought 3 different sizes and returned the ones that didn't fit, then got a spare).

 

The Balmar's are nice alternators, but are rated at ~90 amps, so expect around 60 in practice given pulley ratios and engine speed.

 

You'll need an external regulator and will have to run a dedicated set of wires to from the terminals of the alternator to the batteries because the 12 gauge wires on the stock alternator just won't cut it.

 

I also strongly recommend adding the $25 "Zap Stop" kit across the alternator terminals to protect your regulator in case someone accidentally switches the battery a-b-both switch to OFF while the engine is running.

 

If you chose to do that, why not just get the Heart Interface inverter/charger with the builtin regulator. Then you take care of the multi-step regulator and get an inverter in one clean package.

 

What I specifically DO NOT recommend for the faint of heart, is the Ample Power SAR-v3 or the NextStep regulator only because of the massive (in my opinion) amount of wiring needed to control the system.  I chose that along with the EMon-II which was a real challenge to wire cleanly.  Were I doing it again, I'd opt for the Heart system. See this picture and just count the wires going in and up to get an idea... Must have used 8 thousand zip ties...   :)

 

http://www.catalina320.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album03&id=jhregulator&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

 

 

There's one option...

Cheers!

-Jeff

 

 

I'm assuming you don't have a Yanmar Diesel given your hull number (169).

 

Balmar,  AmpTech (Jack Rabbit Marine/Ample Power), and PowerMax (Hamilton Ferris)are all top quality High Output alternators.

 

The Balmar is single pulley rated at ~90 amps. The AmpTech is single pulley rated at 125amps

I don't recall the rating on the PowerMax

 

If you replace the stock with a high output, you certainly want to make sure to replace the belt with a Gates Green Stripe belt.  These are premium quality belts and are built to take the additional stress.  The stock belts will likely be shredded quickly by comparison.   And buy them in pairs.

 

If you get a double pulley alternator, you're looking at some serious money to upgrade the engine pulley, most likely.

 

Warning:  Boring stuff follows:   :)

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The output amp rating on alternators is specified when the ALTERNATOR pulley is running at its maximum rated speed.

 

Your engine has an operating range also ~1000-2900 RPM or something like that.  When your engine is running at max speed, you ideally want the alternator running at its rated speed.

 

The output current (amps) produced by most alternators falls off rapidly as the pulley slows down, so even though you have a 90 amp alternator, you might never see more than 75-80% of that rating.

 

On my AmpTech-125se, at 3500Rpm,  with low batteries I've seen as much as 98 amps.  When I dropped the engine speed down to 2500, my amperage went down to something like 35 or so.  (don't recall exactly).

 

The point of all this is higher rating is better, but you need to buy it from someone that has sized the pulleys according to your engine if you want to see real improvement.  The three suppliers above all do this just fine.   You can choose from both balmar and amptech at Jack Rabbit Marine.  I spent a good deal of time talking with Mr. Ferris at Hamilton Ferris at a boat show and I am very impressed by the quality of his stuff also.

 

As for the electronics,  I'd recommend against the Ample Power package I chose.  Very complex wiring for, I believe, minimal gain above competing regulators/energy monitors.

Were I to do the job over, I'd still pick the AmpTech alternator, but I think I would go with the Heart Interface Link-2000R system (I think that's the one).  This combines shore power charger, AC inverter and engine alternator regulator in one nice box.  <been a while since I looked, so I could be wrong on some of the details here>.

 

While you're at it, parallel your two house batteries, add a dedicated starting battery and add an echo-charge or some such device to ensure your starting battery gets & stays charged.

 

Cheers!

-Jeff

 

 

I want to replace my alternator/regulator with a HO alternator system. I have the original Excide 4Ds that I will rewire in parallel as my house battery and get a dedicated starter battery.  I'm looking at the Balmar 110 amp w/3 stage reg.  Aside from a slight increase in cost, is there any reason I should choose the 80amp instead?

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Tamucci - Andante.

 

 

Joe:

We have an earlier version Balmar alternator that I believe is rated at 100A. I installed this unit shortly after taking delivery of Eiderdown and it hasn't given us a lick of trouble since. From the catalog it looks like a principal difference between the current 80A and 110A models is that the higher output alternator requires a 1/2" wide belt. Assuming you have the Yanmar 3GM30 engine which I believe uses a 1/2" belt, I would go with the 110A model. Very roughly speaking, you'll get 35% greater output for a given engine RPM compared to the 80A model which should translate to faster recharging, and fewer hours on the engine for recharging. We are also on the original Exide batteries and although they are not "paralleled" we do charge them in parallel via the master switch - after 6 seasons they haven't been cooked by our 100A alternator so I doubt the 110A unit would be too much for yours.

 

David Eusden

C320 #581 "Eiderdown"

 

 

The  1-2-both selector switch can be switched off if you like when plugged in at dock  (I recommend it anyway). The bilge pump is wired to bypass this switch, and so is the shore power charger (which is wired directly to each of the batteries).   The switch doesn't do anything under shore power charge.

When motoring, the switch should be in the both position since the engine charge "comes in through the 1-2-both switch".  If it's in pos 1 or pos 2, the charge from the alternator only goes to the selected battery.

It is OK to change the 1-2-both to either 1, 2 or both while motoring since the switch is a Make-Before-Break switch.  If you turn it to OFF,  (even for
a split second) you'll likely destroy the diodes in your alternator and it will need servicing.   The inductive zap will probably kill it.   A "zapper-stopper" wired between the output terminals on your alternator will protect against this and probably save your alternator.  They're cheap and even if you're clumsy, it'll only take you 5 minutes to install.  :)   They're available at all the boat shows at any of the following dealers.

If you want to change the alternator,  it's not hard if you choose a proper one.

  • Jack Rabbit Marine sells AmpTech  125se   (125amp rated max hot)
  • Ample Power sells some great alternators   (125amp rated max hot??)
  • Hamilton Ferris sells the POWERMAX,       (125amp rated max hot)
  • Balmar sells the 90 series  (90amp rated max hot)

Remember you get ~75% max rated hot amps typically...   I suspect they're all around the $250-$300 mark

You will likely have to do the following to upgrade the alternator:
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1)  Buy an external charge regulator which essentially works like a "dimmer" switch for the power produced by the alternator.   The regulator decides how much charging current the batteries need and turns up or down the volume and watches over the charging process.

2)  Run a power and ground  cable from the regulator's + And -- terminals, directly to the house bank.   (This step is really pretty easy and mandatory for high amp alternators.)

3)  Use a super high quality fan belt like "Gates Green Stripe", not the junk that comes stock on your engine.  And carry a spare.   Splurge, the're 10 bucks apiece...  :) High output alternators producing a 100 amps will eat your stock belt for breakfast.

While you're at it, alot of folks have installed the Heart Interface / Link10 system to monitor the charge usage and battery health.

I do plan (at some point) to finish an article on my electrical system upgrade.  I just couldn't pull it together in time for the upcoming Mainsheet.  Just too busy right now.

The system I installed on my boat is here:    (Got it on a major sale)
https://www.jackrabbitmarine.com/action.lasso?-database=JRM4web.fp5&-response=record_detail.lasso&-layout=web&-maxRecords=1&-skipRecords=20&-token=36900&-findall

I don't recommend installing this particular system yourself unless you're very good at wiring or have a pro do it.  It's more complex than I realized and took me quite a bit of time to get things wired to my satisfaction.  On the other hand, I really like it.  It's pretty close to the best you can get today.   If I were to do it again,  I'd definitely choose the AmpTech alternator because it popped in place reusing the same bolts and brackets.  The regulator delays kicking in the alternator until the engine runs for 30 seconds or so.   You can see  the pictures of this on the website.   It did take me 3 tries at getting the proper length belt though...

My requirements were:
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1) Fast multi-stage charging under engine power.  (like the shore power chargers do)
2) Have a single large house battery, and a smaller dedicated starting battery.
3) Eliminate the need for the 1-2-both switch in favor of the cool compact Blue Sea panel.
4) Be able to tell how many hours of electricity I have left at whatever the current usage level is.
5) Be able to tell at a glance what % charged my batteries are.

Extra credit:  Ability to hook up and control a cheap solar panel for winter batt. maintenance. Alarm when batteries drop to a charge level I choose.
                       Place to hook up my laptop and mess around with things I shouldn't...  :)

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Regarding the alternator ratings in the previous email...  I took a quick look at my notes *AFTER*  I sent the email (of course)..

The ratings I wrote were off somewhat, but you get the idea...
This is what I had in my notes...
· Jack Rabbit Marine sells AmpTech 125se (125/108amp rated max hot/cold)
· Ample Power sells some great alternators (124/106amp rated max hot/cold)
· Hamilton Ferris sells the POWERMAX, (120+/???amp rated max hot/cold)
· Balmar sells the 90 series (90amp rated max hot)


The Balmar alternators run about $350-$450 price range.  Discounts may be available...