Interior Finish

 

I know Catalina uses and recommends Target Coatings for the interior finish of our boats.  However, none of their distributors are close.  What does everybody else use on the interior?  Color?  Water/oil base?  Number of coats?

 

Thanks,

Bert

At Ease

#442

 

 

I also did not want to go through mail order, but when I checked last year it seemed that the only way to get the Target Brand was direct from Target Coatings at 1-800-752-9922.  You can also check out their website at http://www.targetcoatings.com .  They were very efficient and the order was shipped right away.

 

 

John,

 

Conventional oil-based varnish and non moisture-curing polyurethane do not have the same aggressive solvent that Rexthane does.  They have a more mild solvent that is less likely to lift the factory finish on the sole boards.  I have not tried to apply Rexthane directly over the factory-finished sole boards and so I cannot say for sure that lifting would occur.  You could do a test by brushing on a coat of Rexthane over a square-foot area and wait an hour to see if it lifts or softens the factory applied varnish.

 

However, even if you pass this test and no lifting occurs, there is no guarantee that you won't have a different problem later on.  If the coatings are incompatible, such as with water-based and solvent-based varnish, then the bond between them will be weak.  This weak bond can cause the topcoat to peel over time as the boards are walked on and as they expand and contract with changes in weather.  This is called "inter-coat adhesion failure" and is likely the problem encountered by Bruce Pugh.  You are always better off completely removing the old finish whenever you are switching to a different type of coating. 

 

Joe Kujawski

C-320 #129 SummerCamp

East Greenwich, RI

 

 

Another consideration when refinishing is called "lifting". Lifting occurs when the new coating acts like a stripper and wrinkles or dissolves the old existing coating.  Rexthane is a high performance coating and contains strong solvents that may wrinkle and dissolve a standard quality existing varnish.  This is especially likely if the old finish is water-based, as I understand is the case with Catalina factory-applied interior wood finishes.

 

Therefore, upgrade to Rexthane or another high performance solvent-based finish only if you completely remove the old finish through sanding or chemical stripping.

 

Completely removing the old finish via sanding can be problematic with the sole boards and cabin doors in particular because they are not solid teak but rather a thin teak veneer over marine plywood.  While this is great for the stability of the boards and resistance to warping and cracking of the boards, it does make it challenging to sand off all the old finish without sanding through the teak veneer.  The cabin steps, on the other hand, have a much thicker top veneer of teak and completely sanding off all the old finish was no problem.  I expect the galley fiddles and door frames throughout the cabin are solid wood and should be no problem to sand off the old finish. The actual flat door surfaces are thin veneer over plywood and therefore you need to use caution when sanding.  It can be done, but you just need to be careful with the sander, or sand by hand to avoid sanding through the veneer.  If you do sand through the veneer in a spot, then it's not the end of the world, you would just need to stain the exposed plywood prior to varnishing so it matches the rest of the veneer.  You would lose the continuity of the veneer grain, but as long as it's just a small area, your goof would likely be hard to notice.

 

For more information on Rexthane, go to

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/industrial-marine/cs/spring00/page6.asp

 

For more information of Shark Grip, go to

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/apps/pickpros/SWDisplay.asp?ProdID=486

 

 

Last month, I refinished my steps leading from the cockpit to the cabin. I am quite pleased with the results.

 

One feature I added was a non-skid texture to the finish because my crew and I have taken slips and falls on these steps when they are wet.

 

Here's what I did:

 

I removed the four teak steps from the stainless steel frame.  Next, I sanded off all the old finish using an orbital palm sander, first with 50-grit followed by 100-grit sandpaper.  I then vacuumed all sanding dust from the steps and then wiped them with a rag saturated with thinner to remove any remaining dust.

 

I have had excellent results using a finish made by Sherwin-Williams called Rexthane Polyurethane Varnish.  This is a true cross-linking moisture-cure varnish that gets as tough and as hard as a catalyzed polyurethane, but requires no catalyst and no mixing.  It uses moisture in the air as it's catalyst.  It is sold for concrete warehouse floors, wooden workbench tops and laboratory counter tops.  I have used it on my boat to varnish my teak stove cover, my ensign pole and the undersides of my sole boards.  This stuff is tough!  I first discovered it's tough properties on a wooden paddle I used with my 17' daysailer where it got used and abused for 15 years with little wear or even loss of gloss.  I had the same results when I used it on a wooden workbench top.

 

On my steps, I reduced the first coat of Rexthane 25% with it's special reducer to use it as a sealer coat.  Reducing the first coat of Rexthane gives it a thin viscosity like water and allows it to penetrate deeply into the wood which maximizes adhesion and brings out the full beauty of the wood grain. Another advantage of Rexthane is that it dries to recoat in 4 to 6 hours (depending on humidity, higher humidity = faster cure), not the 24 to 48 hours for typical marine spar varnishes which dry by solvent evaporation, not moisture cure.

 

After letting the sealer coat dry for 4 hours, I brushed on the second coat full-bodied, without reducing.  Rexthane is high-solids and gives a built-up look in a coat or two that would require multiple coats of conventional varnish. 

 

The third coat is where I added the non-skid.  I did not want to use sand because sand is ugly to the eye, non-uniform, and does not hold up well.  Instead I used a texture additive called "Shark Grip" which I also purchased at Sherwin-Williams.  Shark Grip is very fine, light weight, porous plastic spheres which resembles baby powder.  When mixed with paint or varnish, Shark Grip stays in suspension and when dry, provides an attractive, uniform, transparent texture that feels like shark skin.  The full grain of the wood is still visible because Shark

Grip itself is transparent and absorbs the Rexthane.  Because it actually absorbs the varnish (unlike sand), Shark Grip holds up better and does not wear off and come loose like sand does.

 

I apologize for being long winded about this.  I was planning on doing the write up anyway because my steps turned out so well.  The color is a perfect match to the original, the texture is grippier than sand but nearly invisible.  To me, this is a great solution which does not require a lot of time and money, but puts materials technology to work to solve a problem.

 

I happen to have some paint paddle samples that I made up with this system as a test before doing my steps.  If you or any listee wants, give me your mailing address and I will mail one to you.

 

Any questions, let me know.

 

Joe Kujawski

C-320 #129 SummerCamp

East Greenwich, RI

 

 

 

Target Coatings is found at http://targetcoatings.com

<http://targetcoatings.com/>.

 

You can save 10% by ordering on the web site: But the smallest can is 32oz.

 

They changed the name of the Product described below.  It is now called: OXFORD HYBRID SATIN VARNISH (7200)

 

"Oxford Interior/Exterior Varnish is formulated to provide a durable, multi-use coating for interior and exterior applications such as cottage furniture, windows, doors and restoration refinishing. Easy to brush or spray right from the can."

 

Cheers

Dick Walker C-320 WindWalker II

 

When you use the Target finish I think you will conclude that it is made for spray application.  That means; it's thin, it does not "hang" very well (runs), goes on with a brush but leaves bubbles.

 

My suggestion is to buy a pad painter and vacuum out all the little bristles that are left over from manufacture.  Stir the product DO NOT shake.  Work where there is little or no draft.  Spread it on thin, use many coats.  Wipe the entire surface to get it evenly coated... there will be bubbles, wait 1-3 min. as you lightly lay out the finish with your pad, evening out the stroke lines and waiting for the slightest amount of drag from the pad.  This is when you can expect that the foam bubbles will disappear.  Do not continue brushing ANY more than you have to or you will begin wiping in streaks that you'll have to sand out.   There is little or no smell... you can work in the house.  I found the matte floor finish quite glossy, for a matte but it looks great.  If it's humid it takes two hours before re-coating, less in dry conditions.  You'll love the results because your sanding and preparation will be better than a factory could be expected to do.  Good Luck

 

Rick, Echo #488

 

 

Most of the varnish used on the inside wood is a water based varnish made by Target Coatings.  It can be ordered directly from Catalina or from Target Coatings at 1-800-752-9922.  Ask for WB2025 Interior Matte Finish Finish.  It is a water based varnish which dries quickly and is (more) environmentally friendly.  I recommend buying from Target rather than Catalina (I've done both).  Catalina will repackage what you purchase from a larger quantity since they buy in bulk.  Problem was that they used a paint can unsuitable for a water based product and in time it rusted on the inside ruining what I  had left.

 

Larry    WindSwept #246

 

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his is from our web site.....

 

Catalina Yachts Interior Varnish

Application Data Sheet for Gloss (7100) & Satin (7200)

 

Published By:

Target Coatings, Inc.

PO Box 1582

Rutherford, NJ 07070 USA

Telephone:  800-752-9922

Int’l:                201-804-0993

Fax:                201-939-0518

WWW:           http://www.targetcoatings.com

Email:            info@targetcoatings.com

 

Summary:

 

Catalina Interior Varnish is a water-based, alkyd modified urethane varnish that is designed for use on all interior and indirect exposure exterior wood components, soles and kit parts.  Catalina Interior Varnish is non-flammable and cleans up with water.  When cured, Catalina Interior Varnish will provide a durable coating ideal for refinishing and touch-up repairs.

 

Direction for Use:

1.      Ensure that all surfaces to be varnished are thoroughly cleaned of all oils, waxes, salt build-up and general contamination.  Wash area to be varnished with a mild water/detergent blend, then rinse with plain, clear water. Follow-up with a light wipe down with denatured alcohol to remove waxes and polishes.

 

2.      Depending on the extent of repair or refinishing that is required, fine sand specific area with stearate-free sandpaper such as 3M® 216u or 236u Gold sandpaper. For removal of runs or sags use 600-grit.  For light, small scratches use 400-grit. For deeper scratches or dings, use 220-grit, moving up to 320 then 400-grit.  Remove sanding dust with a water-dampened cotton cloth or cheesecloth. DO NOT USE TRADITIONAL OIL/WAX TACK CLOTHES.

 

3.      If the color of the teak is lighter then the surrounding areas when sanded prior to finishing with Catalina Varnish, color match with universal dyes and pigments in Burnt Umber, Burnt Sienna and Vandyke Brown to adjust to color match.  You will have to perform a swatch test to ensure color consistency prior to applying.  All woods vary in color tone.

 

4.      Using a soft, synthetic bristle brush*, apply Catalina Varnish to repair area as required.  Reduce Catalina Varnish with water upwards of 25% by liquid volume to control viscosity and dry time of the varnish.  Catalina Varnish can be use undiluted or reduced for spray applications.

 

5.      Allow each coat to dry for a minimum of 2 hours before fine sanding and applying additional coats.  Sanding between each coat is not required if the last coat has dried for LESS then 48 hours.  If this time frame has lapsed, fine sand the last coat of Catalina Varnish with 600-grit sandpaper to promote inter-coat adhesion.

 

6.      Once fully cured (200 hours at 70°F/50RH), Catalina Varnish can be wet-sanded, rubbed or polished to a variety of sheen’s using traditional techniques. 3M® finesse-It Polishes or Meguires® polishes can be used to increase gloss and to protect from scratches. Using various grades of bronze wool or synthetic rubbing pads can lower the sheen of Catalina Varnish. DO NOT USE STEEL WOOL.  Maintain Catalina Varnish with a mild glass cleaner or highly diluted all purpose cleaner.  DO NOT USE HOUSEHOLD-TYPE SPRAY WAXES, OIL SOAPS, POLISHES (PLEDGE®) OR OTHER SILICONE BASED POLISHES.

 

Clean-Up:

Clean all brushes and tools with warm water and mild detergent.  Rinse thoroughly with fresh water and store according to manufacturer suggestion.

 

Recommended Brushes*:

Do not use traditional badger brushes or other natural fiber bristles. Only use top quality, synthetic bristle brushes made from Taklon® or Chinex®.  Do not use house paint-type brushes.  These brushes hold too much varnish and will cause excessive film formation defect.

 

Recommended brushes are artist-style acrylic or watercolor brushes used for fine arts applications commonly found in art/hobby supply stores.  Brush sizes ranging from 1/16th inch to 3.0 inches are recommended depending on size and scope of repair or finishing schedule.  Acrylic Brushes manufactured by DaVinci® Brush, Lowell-Cornell® and Windsor Newton® are highly recommended.

 

For more information please contact:

Catalina Yachts, Inc.

Woodland Hills, CA

818-884-7700

 

Cheers,

Dick Walker

740 Olive Ave.

Coronado, CA 92118-2136

619.435.8986

 

 

Cabin Sole

 

My cabin floor is starting to look a bit tired and I am thinking about replacing it. Has anyone done this before? Any hints or problems?

Cheers - and Seasons Greetings from Scotland

 

Alec Blanc

FIGMENT II #212

Lochaber Watersports

Ballachulish

 

 

I also did not want to go through mail order, but when I checked last year it seemed that the only way to get the Target Brand was direct from Target Coatings at 1-800-752-9922.  You can also check out their website at http://www.targetcoatings.com .  They were very efficient and the order was shipped right away.

 

John,

 

Conventional oil-based varnish and non moisture-curing polyurethane do not have the same aggressive solvent that Rexthane does.  They have a more mild solvent that is less likely to lift the factory finish on the sole boards.  I have not tried to apply Rexthane directly over the factory-finished sole boards and so I cannot say for sure that lifting would occur.  You could do a test by brushing on a coat of Rexthane over a square-foot area and wait an hour to see if it lifts or softens the factory applied varnish.

 

However, even if you pass this test and no lifting occurs, there is no guarantee that you won't have a different problem later on.  If the coatings are incompatible, such as with water-based and solvent-based varnish, then the bond between them will be weak.  This weak bond can cause the topcoat to peel over time as the boards are walked on and as they expand and contract with changes in weather.  This is called "inter-coat adhesion failure" and is likely the problem encountered by Bruce Pugh.  You are always better off completely removing the old finish whenever you are switching to a different type of coating. 

 

Joe Kujawski

C-320 #129 SummerCamp

East Greenwich, RI

 

 

lec,

 

I just refinished the sole on my boat this year, I wanted to get to it before it required a major effort. I lightly roughed up the old finish with a scouch 3M sanding pad, then applied 3 coats of Minwax Helmsmen Spar Urethane Semi Gloss. THe floor looks good and the finish is staying addheared to the original finish with out a problem. ( I took the sole out of the boat and did each pice seperatly) I did the stairs the same way about 3 years ago as a test case, and they are doing good.

 

Jim Mills

Elusive II, 209

 

 

Cabin Sole Varnish

 

What varnish or material would you suggest for a mature C320's cabin sole/floor?  It is a veneer surface and I think it is the original factory finish now.

I have noted Target's matte floor finish and a durable spar varnish suggested in posts of last winter.

 

Thanks, Rollie Gates

1995 C320 #182

Buckeye II

Duxbury, MA

 

 

I can only tell you that I tried sanding the factory finish down thoroughly but short of removing it all, and applying a matt finish interior varnish over it.  This did not go well.  So I recommend either full removal of factory finish or using the Target water based varnish.

 

Fred

Amante #392

 

 

Fred,

Can you be specific about what didn't go well?  Did you use a

Polyurethane matt finish varnish?  What specific problems did you have?

 

Graeme

Debonda  #485  Sydney

 

 

I used a high quality marine polyurethane satin finish.  It "balled-up"

In spots.  I've never had that experience before and I have to attribute it to the remnants of the water-based coating underneath.

 

Fred

Amante #392

 

 

Fred,

A professional painter told me this should not happen, even if the polyurethane was applied over moderately sanded water-base varnish – is it possible that there was grease or wax causing the polyurethane to ball-up?  I may tackle this project this weekend.

Rollie

Buckeye II  #182

 

 

Rollie,

 

No way there was any grease, oil or wax on the surface.  I can't explain why it behaved as it did, but the results, while usable, were not good.  I did more than "moderate" sanding,   However, you might try thorough sanding, then a good washing with mineral spirits to get grease/oil off, then acetone to get any wax off before varnishing.  You might have to sand again after the wash if the mineral spirits raise the grain.

 

Good luck.  Please let me know how you handle the task and what your

Results are.

 

Fred

Amante #392

 

 

Fred,

Given your and the Tuckerman's expereince, I am inclined to use the

Target - inferior water-based varnish approach.  Would you do that if you had it to do over again?

 

Graeme, what would you say to this question?

Regards, Rollie

 

 

Arthur,

 

I received your email directly from you, however I have replied on the list as I thought it maybe of interest to others.

 

I wouldn't think that I am an expert on varnish.  Here in Sydney I haven't seen a water based varnish.  I don't think the popular chandleries stock it.

 

My only experience with varnishing so far is the walls for the head and rear cabin facing the main cabin and also the dividing board across the engine separating the two engine hatches and the companionway steps.   I lightly sanded with 120 grit and used a gloss single-pack polyurethane.  I gave the walls three coats and I am really pleased with the results.

 

I found a little book in a university library.  I think it was call "Boat

Refinishing" by Don Casey.  It was an excellent book on how to refinish.  I

notice Don Casey has articles on the sailnet site.

 

 

I have done one part of the floor. You definately need to remove all trace of the old coating and make sure you have even coloring of the timber before applying a new coat otherwise the final fiish will look really patchy. I used a polyurethane satin finish which was excellent but a lot of work went into preparation

Don

Sei Sui

 

 

I have varnished the "bilge cover" only as a test before I do the rest of the sole. I used a gloss single-pack polyurethane and the result looks good.  I only lightly sanded the original surface with 120 grit before I varnished.

 

I like the look of the gloss.  I notice my preference here is a little different from most other members on the list.

 

The only problem I had when I did this section of sole was: I had very small bubbles (have to look closely to see them). I haven't experienced this before.  I have read about varnishing and this problem could be from either sanding with too course a paper or that the brush wasn't in good condition.

 

The brush I used had hardened a little since the last time I used it. By repeatedly flexing the bristles it appeared to become soft again and I thought it was OK.  Since then, I heard a tip from a shipwright to brush the "china" brush bristles with a wire brush before using it.

 

I have a few dark areas on one panel of the sole. I think they are caused by water from the shower getting out onto the main cabin sole and under the original varnish.  I am considering removing these dark areas by stripping all the old varnish off and then using a teak cleaner and brightener, then revarnishing again with polyurethane.

 

It is a bit of a scary process as I don't know the final colour, or if it will be so light that I will have to strip all the other sole panels to match.

 

Can anyone give me advise on removing dark areas of the sole?