Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:52:20
From: Keeper of the Purple Twilight
> Yes, there was yet more Star Trek continuity violations. This is
> beginning to be a bad habit for the producers. So what else is new?
> It was clearly established that first contact with the Tholians
> happened during Kirk's era in the original series of 'The Tholian
> Web'. No ands, ifs, maybes, or buts about it.
Wrong.
*Enterprise* showed first contact (via audio, anyway) with the
Tholians.
By the time of TOS, the Tholians were fairly well-known. Spock even
makes reference to the "renowed Tholian punctuality". How could he
possibly know about that, if no one had made contact with Tholians
before?
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:54:51
From: Mike Dicenso <mdicenso@seds.lpl.arizona.edu>
> Yes, there was yet more Star Trek continuity violations. This is
> beginning to be a bad habit for the producers. So what else is new?
> It was clearly established that first contact with the Tholians
> happened during Kirk's era in the original series of 'The Tholian
> Web'. No ands, ifs, maybes, or buts about it. Yea, one could argue
> that the temporal cold war thing may have added a new twist to the
> Star Trek timeline, but that's just crap. Another problem was with
> the phased cannons firing at warp speed. This even violates
> Enterprise's own history from season one in addition to all the other
> Trek eras. Do these continuity problems really hurt the story? Given
> enough, yes they do. Good stories are have good consistencies
> underlining them. And an increasingly inconsistent story writing
> makes for an ever increasingly inconsistent story telling. I think
> this episode would have been better if the Tholians were more
> secretive, unseen, and unknown to Archer and crew. Only the viewer
> would have known what was really going on. Now that would have made
> for a better mystery element for the story.
I just got a huge laugh out of your so-called objections here; this is
practically one created out of whole cloth by you. Where in "The THolian
Web" was is definitively established in dialouge or other that the
E-1701's contact with the Tholians was the first ever? The answer: you
can't, because it doesn't exist.
Second, and maybe just as laughable, if not moreso, is your made up crap
out the phasers not being able to fire at warp. In TOS, phasers firing at
warp was common in just about every single space battle. The first
incident of phaser fire at warp occurs in the first season episode "The
Corbomite Maneuver"
TNG was a bit more ambigous; nothing was said or shown one way or the
other about phasers firing at warp speeds, though it is strongly implied
in "Best of Both Worlds part I", and in "The Wounded" that they could be.
DS9 and VGR both have numerous examples of phasers being fired at warp;
examples are found in "Faith, Treachery, and the Great River" [DS9], and
"A Message in the Bottle" [VGR].
Reed in "Fallen Hero" makes it clear at that time that he doesn't quite
have the problem of making the phase cannon fire at warp, but he is
working on the problem. By the time of "Shockwave Part I and II", the
issues were solved and the phase cannon are shown working at warp well
before "Future Tense". So your objection here is essentially non-existant.
In the future, at least try to do a little basic research before making
before making an objection. This episode was full of continutiy
references, if you actually KNEW anything about TOS, you'd have caught
them right off. So better luck next time.
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:37:56 -0800
From: Chris Halladay <trek5150@attbi.com>
I have NEVER watched Dr. Who. Will you please explain what you meant by "Tardis effect"? The only reason that I know that Tardis is a term from Dr. Who is that I have been told by a few people.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:59:09
From: "Miner" <mikemurray77@hotmail.com>
i kept thinking that the dead body was Professor Berlingoff Rasmussen from
TNG 5.09 and that maybe he stole another time ship and this time got killed
in his travels.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:41:57
From: "Lisa <sestra15@y...>"
> Synopsis: The Enterprise gang finds a small craft adrift in deep
> space that contains a human corpse.
The part I liked best was the interchange between T'Pol and Archer
regarding interspecie matings, namely Human and Vulcan. We now know
of Spock and others who are specie blends, but they don't know this,
of course. The sexual tension was rife between the two and I for one,
wouldn't mind some heat in their future relationship. Maybe not
exactly bed play yet, but more of this kind of exchange. I remember
how stuffy T'Pol was when the show first started but now I tend to
smile abit when she is on screen.
I agree, no real resolution. Something for a future episode maybe?
The thing I am hating is the appearance of so many TOS aliens
etc...For the show to be realistic, they should concentrate on
meeting the founders of the future Federation and examine the growing
and changing relationships between those races so as to see the
formation of that great alliance, not meeting hundreds of unfamiliars
and aliens we understood to be met much further down the line.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:42:53
From: "wendy1847 <awesomewp@e...>"
I agree, the exchange about 'gene swaping' and 'would they have
pointed ears,' well the look on T'Pol's face was priceless!
As long as they stay within Star Trek cannon law, I do not mind
them introducing so many species from TOS (I count two so far-the
Andorians and Tholians. The Ferengi were from TNG and the Sulibon
(sp) are new. Any more? What am I missing?) I do wish they would
concentrate a bit more on the mysteries of this 'temporal cold war'
though.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:45:01
From: "ghoolsby <johnk@v...>"
> Yes, there was yet more Star Trek continuity violations. This is
> beginning to be a bad habit for the producers. So what else is new?
> It was clearly established that first contact with the Tholians
> happened during Kirk's era in the original series of 'The Tholian
> Web'. No ands, ifs, maybes, or buts about it. Yea, one could argue
I dunno. Alternate timeline. Early explorations written off the
books due to failure. Unclear definition of "first contact". Some
have even suggested that the entire show is an alternate timeline
wiped out by the temperal cold war.
but, we've already met the Ferengi. Who knows how the early earth
starfleet managed their ship logs. They don't even have a first
contact protocal, let alone a prime directive. The whole point of
the show is to illustrate how stupid Terrans are at deep space
exploration. It'll help to think of this show as Beverly
Hillbillies. T'pau as miss hathaway! The guy from Alien Nation is
Mister Drysdale!
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:44:00
From: Edward Hochman <whovian7_2000@Y...>
Does that mean that Trip is going to redesign the NX-01 in its next
model to look like a police box (tardis) ?
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:36:58 -0700 (MST)
From: Geoffrey McStroul <sisko@seds.lpl.arizona.edu>
Actually, it seemed pretty clear that the Tholians had been encountered
before. Mr. Spock makes note of Tholian punctuality. Maybe they'd never
encoutered the Tholian Web before, but they seemed to have met the
Tholians before. Now, before they met the Tholians, they visited the
Department of Redundancy Department. :)
> Yes, there was yet more Star Trek continuity violations. This is
> beginning to be a bad habit for the producers. So what else is new?
> It was clearly established that first contact with the Tholians
> happened during Kirk's era in the original series of 'The Tholian
> Web'. No ands, ifs, maybes, or buts about it. Yea, one could argue
> that the temporal cold war thing may have added a new twist to the
> Star Trek timeline, but that's just crap. Another problem was with
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:38:24
From: Christopher Eastwood <dopefur8402@y...>
> Yes, there was yet more Star Trek continuity
> violations. This is
> beginning to be a bad habit for the producers. So
> what else is new?
> It was clearly established that first contact with
> the Tholians
> happened during Kirk's era in the original series of
> 'The Tholian
> Web'. No ands, ifs, maybes, or buts about it.\
Actually I can argue with you here..
please go and check your tape of Tholian web and you
will hear this line which very much implies that both
the fedeation and especially spock were aware of the
Tholians before the encounter while looking for the
Defiant.
In the episode the Tholians are willing to wait to see
if the Defiant and Kirk reappear but they will only
wait the length of time that Spock says.
They dont like being lied to (something archer
discovers)
Well when the Defiant didnt appear when she was
supposed to the Tholians got pissed and open fire on
Enterprise..
and Spock says/...
"The renowned Tholian punctuality." which implies
prior knowledge of them..
and more importantly there isnt a line of dialog
anywhere that says it was first contact with them.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:57:29
From: Severian <hiramalzabo@hotmail.com>
>It did seem a bit odd that Trip was able to repair a
>31st century time-transmitter with 22nd century tools. So does that
>mean a 12th century blacksmith can fix my 21st century pc?
Your problem is that you're thinking they use technology. There is no
technology in Star Trek, just magic.