Phelps of Tyrrell Co

Phelps of Tyrrell Co, NC (with origins likely in Md.)

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1. Cuthbert Phelps of Md. and Albemarle Co, NC (likely Tyrrell Co)

2. A common ancestor of six Phelps with origins inTyrrell Co, NC

- William Phelps, b. c. 1773. NC? SC?, d c1827, Pulaski Co. GA, m Sophia Lee #43412

- Zadock Phelps b ca 1760 Tyrell Co,NC #71005

- Asa Phelps b 1810 Franklin Co, NC (Jeremiah the likely father) #77645

- Silas M. Phelps b 1814, TN #94034

- Micajah Phelps b.ca 1805 Washington Co, NC # 100136

3. These lines also show a distant YDNA relationship with the above kits.

John H. Phelps b. 2 Feb, 1802 in NC. d. 13 Mar, 1888 in Laurel Co., KY kit 114435

Lemuel Phelps b 1822 Woods Co, VA Kit N49716

Go to the Tyrrell Co. Phelps ancestors Google group forum

Cuthbert Phelps/Phelpes/Phelpe b. est by 1630, probably England - moved to Tyrrell Co, NC

This Cuthbert Phelps line below is the possible ancestor of the several dna-tested Phelps with origins in Tyrrell. This hypothesis is very tentative and much more remains to be done on the paper trail and dna research. The line below was submitted by W. H Freeman who likely is a descendant, with assistance by Douglas K. Phelps, to help in the study. We invite others to contribute primary source material for corrections or to add to the descendants. Contact the project adm.

1. Cuthbert Phelps/Phelpes/Phelpe b. est by 1630, perhaps England or another colony

d. bef 1706, in a Precinct of Albemarle Co, NC (which included present Tyrrell and current NE NC counties),

Immigrated to Maryland in 1654 (Kent Co, now Talbot Co) from perhaps England or another colony. In NC by 1690 and in Tyrrell by 1700. m. Mary

(first name also recorded as vars. of Cut- & Cud-, ending with -beard & -bard)

2. Cuthbert Phelps Jr b.abt 1654/5 in Tyrrell by 1700. d. Tyrrell Co, NC

2. Darby Phelps b. 11 Feb 1656/7, Kent (Talbot), Md . In Tyrrell by 1716., d. Tyrrell Co, NC

2 . Edward Phelps b. 8 Jan 1658/9 Kent (Talbot), Md. In Tyrrell by 1704., d. Tyrrell Co, NC m. Frances

2. Bartholomew Phelps Listed as a NC importation, 1694. In Tyrrell by 1703. d. Tyrrell Co, NC m. Elizabeth

A common ancestor of five Phelps, with origins in Tyrrell Co, NC:

William Phelps b 1773 #43412 , Zadock Phelps b ca 1760 #71005 , Asa Phelps b 1810 #77645 , Silas M. Phelps b 1814, TN. #94034, 517, and Micajah Phelps b ca 1805, 100136 match this line.

Based on papertrails and probabilites of these kits it is likely that the common ancestor lived in eastern NC in the mid 1700s. (See the light blue link below.) More tests from other distantly related Phelps will be very helpful.

It is extremely important that each kit be certain of their papertrails since an error would be very misleading. As of 11/2007 the kit owners have confirmed their research using primary sources in most cases. Additional research is being done, especially for those items highlighted in yellow.

Each kit in this group should log on to FTDNA and carefully study their matching Y-DNA hits. For each match using the highest markers for the match, click the FTDNAtip "report" which is a blue and red icon to the right of the matching kit. For each imperfect match (at the highest level), study the results and enter a new value where it reads "did not share a common ancestor in the last generation(s). If you know for certain that there was no common ancestor in the last 3 generations, for example, enter a 3. That will change the probability of the time to a common ancestor.

Hypothesis (11/2007): At this time there is no paper trail to show a common ancestor but clearly these kits have a common ancestor in relatively recent times. Tentatively it appears the common ancestor was from NC, likely from Tyrrell County or a nearby county in northeastern NC. Probably Zaddock (b Tyrell Co, NC ca 1760) and William (b. c. 1773. d. ca 1827, Pulaski Co. GA), and Jeremiah (not fully confirmed) were brothers. If this line had origins in Tyrrell Co, there is a reasonable possibility that the line descended from Cutberth Phelps, originally from Maryland. We have no dna samples known to be from Cutberth.

Comments (12/2007) With no paper trails to link to a common ancestor, we could offer some conclusions based on the dna results:

The most often seen marker values, the modal, might be considered to be the values of the common ancestor, or at least the common ancestor of the three kits 43412, 71005 and 94034.

Since kit 100136 and 77645 have identical marker values and miss the modal by a genetic distance of by only 1, we can conclude that these two lines are tightly related and perhaps descended from a common ancestor through his different sons. Or one of them descended from the other. In other words, their unique CDYa marker value of 40 will always be in their descendant lines.

The first table is as of 4/9/2008, the others are of Dec 21, 2007

The first row of the first table indicates the mutations of each kit to the modal values. Modal means the most frequently observed value and is often the value of the common ancestor. The calculated modal can be misleading with a small sample, but for now those values are most likely what may have been the y-dna of the common ancestor.

FTDNA Configuration - DNA Results Comparison

D
Y
S
3
9
3

D
Y
S
3
9
0

D
Y
S
1
9
/
3
9
4

D
Y
S
3
9
1

D
Y
S
3
8
5
a

D
Y
S
3
8
5
b

D
Y
S
4
2
6

D
Y
S
3
8
8

D
Y
S
4
3
9

D
Y
S
3
8
9
-
1

D
Y
S
3
9
2

D
Y
S
3
8
9
-
2

D
Y
S
4
5
8

D
Y
S
4
5
9
a

D
Y
S
4
5
9
b

D
Y
S
4
5
5

D
Y
S
4
5
4

D
Y
S
4
4
7

D
Y
S
4
3
7

D
Y
S
4
4
8

D
Y
S
4
4
9

D
Y
S
4
6
4
a

D
Y
S
4
6
4
b

D
Y
S
4
6
4
c

D
Y
S
4
6
4
d

D
Y
S
4
6
4
e

D
Y
S
4
6
4
f

D
Y
S
4
6
4
g

D
Y
S
4
6
0

G
A
T
A
H
4

Y
C
A
I
I
a

Y
C
A
I
I
b

D
Y
S
4
5
6

D
Y
S
6
0
7

D
Y
S
5
7
6

D
Y
S
5
7
0

C
D
Y
a

C
D
Y
b

D
Y
S
4
4
2

D
Y
S
4
3
8

modal

43412 (William Phelps, b. c. 1773. NC? SC?, d c1827, Pu) R1b1

71005 (James Pinckney Phelps, b. 1828 Marion Co., IL) R1b1

94034 (Silas M. Phelps b. May 31,1814 TN ,d. April 23,187) R1b1

77645 (Asa Phelps, b 1810, Franklin Co., NC) R1b1

100136 (Micajah Phelps, b 1805 Washington Co, NC) R1b1

Distance from reference:

Zero

One

Two

Three+

Genetic Distance

m
o
d
a
l

9
1
5
1
7

4
3
4
1
2

7
1
0
0
5

9
4
0
3
4

7
7
6
4
5

1
0
0
1
3
6

modal

43412

71005

94034

77645

100136

Related	Probably Related	Possibly Related
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 12 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 25 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 37 Markers

- Hybrid mutation model is used
- Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested

Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (Years)

m
o
d
a
l

9
1
5
1
7

4
3
4
1
2

7
1
0
0
5

9
4
0
3
4

7
7
6
4
5

1
0
0
1
3
6

modal

480

240

390

43412

240

480

240

390

71005

240

480

240

390

94034

240

480

240

390

77645

390

600

390

240

100136

390

600

390

240

0-270 Years

300-570 Years

600-870 Years

900-1170 Years

- Infinite allele mutation model is used
- Average mutation rate varies: 0.0054 to 0.0054, from FTDNA derived rates
- Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested
- Probability is 95% that the TMRCA is no longer than indicated
- Average generaton: 30 years

The table on the left iindicates the genetic distance of each kit from the others. Click on the blue intrepreting info for 37 markers.

The third table shows the 95% probability that the common ancestor was within the listed number of years. This table is not as accurate as data seen at your logon at FTDNA. The years shown here may differ (probably may be larger) than the more precise years shown when you log on to FTDNA and ask for their FTDNATiP report (showing years to a MRCA). You should explore all the options you see there to gain a more precise number of years to the MRCA.

INDEX TO THE COLOR CODE SEEN BELOW:

Blue: Tested Lineage with a very likely y-DNA proven relationship BACK TO AN UNKNOWN COMMON ANCESTOR..

Light Blue: Tested lineage with a possible y-DNA proven relationship.

Orange: Tested Lineage without a y-DNA match.

Highlight: Suspect data or possible point of y-DNA mismatch.

Gray: Untested Lineage

0. Father (or grandfather) likely died 1700s in Tyrrell Co, NC (See probability tables and general comments)

1. William Phelps b c 1773 NC or SC , d c1827, Pulaski Co. GA, m Sophia Lee - Click to see William’s contributor “Nora A.”

| 2. Arthur Phelps, b. 1808 SC, d. 1878 Vernon, Jackson Parish, LA m. Lucinda Evans 1828 Pulaski GA

| | 3. William Elisha Phelps b. 1828, Pulaskis, GA, d. 1896 Mitchell Co, GA; m. Mary Jane Crosby 1857 in Mitchell Co, GA

| | 4. King David Phelps b. 1874 Berrian Co, GA, d. 1966 Camilla, GA; m. Mary West

| | Descendant DNA Kit 43412, 37 markers Haplogroup R1b1b2

| | 5. Arlie Dewey Phelps b 1907

| | 5. Ernest Phelps b 1918

| | 5. William Austin Phelps b 1921

| | 4. Joseph Arthur Phelps

| | 4. William Monroe Phelps

| | 4. Mitchell Wilcox Phelps

| | 3. James Monroe Phelps

| | 3. Lewis W. Phelps

| 2. James Phelps, b. June 23, 1799, m. Sarah Atkins d. Aug. 3, 1832

| 2. William Phelps b. Pulaski Co. GA, m. Christine (Crystal) Buchan

| 2. Elijah Phelps, m. Feb. 11, 1836 Pulaski Co. GA Catherine (Caty) Buchan

| 2. Shepherd Needam Phelps m. Dec. 30, 1830 Pulaski Co. GA Mary (Polly) Harrell, d. c1836 Pulaski Co. GA.

| 2. Elizabeth Phelps, m. Jerry Davis

| 2. Polly Phelps, m. Hozias L. Davis

| 2. Caroline Phelps, m. Feb. 27, 1821 Pulaski Co. GA to L. R. Winn

1. Zadock Phelps b Tyrell Co, NC ca. 1760 m. Ann (Unknown) 8 Oct 1789 Tyrell Co, NC, bondsman Joshua Phelps.

Removed to Rutherford Co, TN by 1814, to Bond Co, IL by 1820, to Marion Co, IL by 1830 d. ???? IL, buried near Salem, Ill.

2. John Phelps

2. Frederick Phelps b. NC 1795, d. IL 1845, buried near Salem, Ill., m. Delilah Little in IL 1819

                 3. Samuel
                  3. Wright
                  3. John
                  3. Tampy
                  3. James Pinckney Phelps (b. 1828 in Marion County, IL, d. IL. buried near Salem, Ill.) m. Elizabeth Anna Hawkins
                   4. Tilford Douglas Phelps (b. 1861 in Marion County (outside Salem) IL, d. LaBelle, TX, ca 1928) m. Sarah Katherine Crenshaw of Decatur, IL
                            Descendant Kit 71005 37 markers haplogroup R1b1b2

This line matches the above two kits and has a closely related common ancestor with them - and could have even descended from one of them..

1. Silas M. Phelps b. May 31,1814 (possibly Rutherford, see submitter), TN , d. April 23,1875, Salem, Ill. m. Nancy Lane

2. Josiah Phelps b 1847, d after 1880 census

2. Iasiak Phelps b.1848 d.?

2. Mary Ann Phelps b.1852 d.1909 m. burried East Lawn Salem, IL m. W.L.Ardery .

2. William Smith Phelps b.Aug 15,1853 d.Dec 25,1886 buried East Lawn Salem, IL.

2. Josephine Phelps b.March 1,1856 m. Austin Hanes d. Feb 18,19? CA

2. Henerietta Phelps b.1858 m. Mr. Cook d. Feb.19,19? CA.

2. Edward (Edgar) Phelps b.Sept 19,1860 d. April 7,1879 buried East Lawn Salem IL.

2. James Madison Phelps, b. April 2,1849 ,d. May 12,1920, buried East Lawn Salem Il,. m. Elizabeth Martha Shelton

3. Silas Ardery Phelps b. Mar 22 1890 d. Dec 14,1950 (in CA) buried East Lawn, Salem IL. m.Faye Williams

4. Lyle Ardery Phelps b. 1912 d. 1973

3. Donald Claire Phelps b. Nov.7,1898 d.1966 buried East Lawn,Salem IL. m.Ruby Hensen

3. Gladys Faye Phelps b. Sept 15.1903 d.Mar,1989 m. Joseph Browning Davis

3. Lawrence Pearl , b. Jan.13,1895, d. Mar 2 1972, buried Salem Il. , m. Mildred (BessieEdith) Robertson

Descendant DNA Kit 94034 37 markers, Haplogroup R1b1b2

The two kits below have match perfectly with one another and either descend from a common ancestor of the above lines or descended from one from the other who in turn descended from the above lines.

1. Jeremiah (Jerry) Phelps b. probably 1774, probably Tyrrell Co, NC d. aft 1850. m. Franny Spruill 1808, Tyrrell Co, NC

Removed to Washington Co. by 1820 & Franklin Co, NC by 1840

2. Asa (B) Phelps bet 1808 &1810 Franklin Co, NC. d. Abt 1866. Last seen in Franklin Co, NC 1850. m. Tabitha Young in Franklin Co, NC 1837

3. Smith Patrick Phelps b. 3/8/1851 Franklin Co, NC. d. 7/12/1926 Wake Co, NC. m. Martha Darien Wright

Descendant Kit 77645 37 markers Haplogroup R1b1b2 This ancestry provided by kit 77645 and B. Freeman

2. Kearny/Carney Phelps b 1814 m. Elizabeth Young, Franklin Co, NC 1838
2. Third son b 1815-1819

2. Fourth son b. 1816-1820

2. Cassman Phelps (possibliy) b. 1820-1824

2. Nathaniel Phelps b c 1825 m. Nancy Wood 1846

1. Micajah Phelps b.ca 1805 Washington County, NC. d.1879 Washington County, NC. m. Eveline/Evelina.

2. Bailey Phelps

2. Amariah Phelps

2. John Phelps, b. ca 1830 Washington County, NC. d. bef 9/18/1878 (will date). m. likely Elizabeth

3. John Caleb Phelps/JC Phelps/John C. Phelps b. 12/16/1860, Washington County, NC. d. 4/13/1934, Washington Co., NC. m. Frances Ann Brickhouse 1884 Tyrrell County, NC.
4. James Warren Phelps

4. Joseph E. Phelps

4. Seaton Monroe Phelps

4. Dennis Harrison Phelps

4. Ernest Caleb Phelps.

4. Milton Claude Phelps, b. Feb 25, 1905 in Washington County, NC. d. May 13, 1980, Cherry, Washington County, NC. m. Alethia Picolia Allen

Descendant Kit 100136 67 markers Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b

The following kits, 114435 and N49716 match each other 23 of 25, and FTDNA states they have a 53% probability of a common ancestor between them within 9 generations. Because there is no paper trail to show a common ancestor, I am coloring the two lines Orange which would normally indicate no match.

No paper trail is available to show a common ancestor

Lemuel Phelps b 1822 Woods Co. VA

1. Lemuel Phelps b. 02/15/1822 Woods Co, VA

2. Lemuel Horton Phelps b. 11/ /1858 WVA

3. Fred Stewart Phelps b. 10/9/1893 Roanne Co, WVA

Descendant Kit# N49716 25 markers haplogroup R1b1b2

John H. Phelps b 1802 NC d 1888 Laurel CO, Ky..

1. Samuel Phelps (uncertain) b. abt 1750.
2. John H. Phelps b. 2 Feb, 1802 in NC. d. 13 Mar, 1888 in Laurel Co., KY

3. Samuel Phelps b. ABT 1836 Grayson Co. VA

3. John J. Phelps b. 19 DEC, 1848, Grayson Co. VA

3. William A. Phelps b. ABT 1825 Grayson Co. VA

3. Marion Phelps b. ABT 1827 Grayson Co. VA

3. Granville Phelps b. ABT 1828 Grayson Co. VA

3. Melville Phelps b. 7 July, 1840 Grayson Co. VA d. 11 April 1893 in Laurel Co., KY
4. John Olander b. ABT 1871 in KY

4. Robert Woodson b. 20 MAR, 1877 in KY

4. Melville Marion Beverly Phelps b. 5 April, 1880 London, KY d. 22 Nov. 1953 Boulder, CO
Descendant kit 114435 25 markers haplogroup R1b1b2