Return home               How can we use Y-DNA “triangulation” to a male ancestor  "prove" genealogy and suggest his likely y-dna?

Revised 05/13/2009

A professional genetic genealogist comments on this subject at this site and is well worth reading.

 

When the YDNA of the descendants of two or more sons of a common ancestor match extremely well, we can conclude the common ancestor paper trail is "very likely proven".  Lesser matches indicate a possible proven common ancestor.  Triangulation to a paternal patriarch's using proper selection of descendant testing could perhaps be defined as a confirming scientific test of a documented paper trail.   Proof in this case would not prove in court who fathered whom, but it would indicate the likely y-DNA of a distant male. 

 

 Allow me to be simplistic to make my point.   First, let’s agree that y-DNA passes largely unchanged from father to son - and only to the son.  If your ydna is tested to the same (or nearly so) as the ydna of your documented  (Bible, birth records, deeds, etc) brother then you know all or most of the Y-DNA of your biological father because you both inherited his Y-DNA.  If your brother’s YDNA does not match you at all, then there was a “non-paternity event”.  Non-paternity events are said to occur 1.3% to 4% per generation.)  Assuming the markers match very closely, if you also have records which name the father, then you have "proof" that he was in fact the father and you can conclude his y-DNA also.  Without the records, you can only state that the father was a male who is also in the same male line; that is, your father could have been your uncle for example.   So we can establish the y-DNA of one's father using records and y-DNA tests of two or more of his sons. 

 

If we agree on that point, we can proceed.  If a male descendant of grandfather's son "A" matches closely with the ydna of a male descendant of grandfather's son "B" AND we have records to show that "A" and "B" were sons of grandfather along with records of their descendants, then we can "prove" the genealogy and suggest the ydna of grandfather.  (It is always better to have confirming tests of male descendants of as many sons of grandfather as possible.)

 

 Continuing with this logic, we can suggest the Y-DNA of a man living in 1800 if we have good family records and closely matching Y-DNA tests of male descendants of at least two sons of that 1800 man. 

 

 Additional information:   

When matching y-dna, it is very beneficial to have more than 12 matching markers since often we find different surnames matching at 12 markers indicating a common ancestor far, far back in time.  15 Phelps "cousins" were able to "prove" their Phelps lines of NC & Va back to 3 patriarchs in the 1700s.  However if one is not able to accomplish that difficult research, one may be able to confirm at least part of the way back to a man living in the mid 1800s - and hopefully assume the "tentative" ydna of his male ancestor.  If not that, then the proof should go to back to at least one's great grandfather.   It is not advised to test descendants of a living person because of the unpleasant implications when there is no match.

 If we have only a single test of a surname family line it may be best to describe the y-dna for the line as "tentative", but that can be very misleading when attempting to "prove" a paper trail.. 

 The first two y-dna tests back to a common ancestor in the 1800s may result in a mismatch.  This means somewhere there has been a non-paternity event  (name change, adoption, etc).  Additional tests must be done on additional descendants to indicate in which line the NPE occurred.

 Below is a copy from DNA Heritage's web page which may help illustrate these points.

 

 

 

Y-DNA testing is at its most powerful when comparing two or more people

 

 

and the results overlaid onto the existing genealogical records.

Here is a simple scenario where 3 cousins of the same surname have been tested (diagram below). Two of them share a great-grandfather, and all three share a great-great-great grandfather.

In our family tree, only the males of the tree are shown. The red X shows where a paternal line has died out
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Paternal family tree (only males are shown)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At some point way back in time, a single mutation in the Y-chromosome occurred. This mutation has left all the yellow males with this same mutation and can be detected when their DNA is analysed.

 

  

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